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		<title>Cloud Computing Podcast with Techtarget – Part 2</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20091117/cloud-computing-podcast-with-techtarget-%e2%80%93-part-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
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<p><a href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-222" title="TechTarget Logo" src="http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/templ_headerlogo1.gif" alt="TechTarget Logo" width="166" height="129" /></a>My podcast with <a title="SearchCloudComputing from TechTarget" href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/" target="_blank">SearchCloudComputing</a>&#8216;s Carl Brooks (<a title="Twitter's @eekygeeky" href="http://twitter.com/eekygeeky" target="_blank">Twitter&#8217;s @eekygeeky</a>) was so much fun. In this two-part podcast, Carl and I talk about all sorts of issues regarding the management of cloud computing &#8211; a critical part of EMA&#8217;s &#8216;Responsible Cloud&#8217; approach to cloud computing. <img title="More..." src="http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />Of course I had too much to say to fit in just a single short burst, so this post is about part 2 of the podcast.<span id="more-106"></span></p>
<p>In part 2 of podcast, Carl and I talk about:</p>
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<li> cost details, pricing, and licensing models for cloud management tools</li>
<li>options for open source and &#8216;freemium&#8217; tools for cloud computing management</li>
<li>the problems of an old-school approach to cloud computing management</li>
<li>the issues of paying for cloud computing management using traditional models</li>
<li>the critical dangers associated with a slow adoption of cloud computing management</li>
<li>the need to integrate with existing SOA, reporting, and other in-house disciplines</li>
<li>difficulties of </li>&#8230;</ul>]]></description>
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				<img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpleasediscuss.com%2Fandimann%2F20091117%2Fcloud-computing-podcast-with-techtarget-%25e2%2580%2593-part-2%2F&amp;source=AndiMann&amp;style=normal&amp;service=bit.ly&amp;service_api=R_32fd79b68d0eb424a397106f4cbf7638&amp;b=2" height="61" width="50" /><br />
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<p><a href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-222" title="TechTarget Logo" src="http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/templ_headerlogo1.gif" alt="TechTarget Logo" width="166" height="129" /></a>My podcast with <a title="SearchCloudComputing from TechTarget" href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/" target="_blank">SearchCloudComputing</a>&#8216;s Carl Brooks (<a title="Twitter's @eekygeeky" href="http://twitter.com/eekygeeky" target="_blank">Twitter&#8217;s @eekygeeky</a>) was so much fun. In this two-part podcast, Carl and I talk about all sorts of issues regarding the management of cloud computing &#8211; a critical part of EMA&#8217;s &#8216;Responsible Cloud&#8217; approach to cloud computing. <img title="More..." src="http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />Of course I had too much to say to fit in just a single short burst, so this post is about part 2 of the podcast.<span id="more-106"></span></p>
<p>In part 2 of podcast, Carl and I talk about:</p>
<ul>
<li> cost details, pricing, and licensing models for cloud management tools</li>
<li>options for open source and &#8216;freemium&#8217; tools for cloud computing management</li>
<li>the problems of an old-school approach to cloud computing management</li>
<li>the issues of paying for cloud computing management using traditional models</li>
<li>the critical dangers associated with a slow adoption of cloud computing management</li>
<li>the need to integrate with existing SOA, reporting, and other in-house disciplines</li>
<li>difficulties of managing on-premise, off-premise, and hybrid clouds</li>
<li>the real long-term ROI and NPV of cloud computing and management</li>
<li>the importance of analytics, chargeback, capacity management, and accountability in predictable cost models for cloud computing</li>
<li>the difficulty of visibility, verifiability, predictability, and the trust relationship with cloud computing providers</li>
<li>and what to look for in both pricing and general comfort levels</li>
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<p>It was a great session. You should check it out <a title="TechTarget Podcast: Cloud computing management overview" href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/generic/0,295582,sid201_gci1374130,00.html" target="_blank">at TechTarget&#8217;s SearchCloudComputing.com site!</a></p>
<p>Andi.</p>
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		<title>Cloud Computing Podcast with Techtarget &#8211; Part 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[cloud computing]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BMC Software]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Nimsoft]]></category>
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				<img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpleasediscuss.com%2Fandimann%2F20091116%2Fcloud-computing-podcast-with-techtarget-part-1%2F&#38;source=AndiMann&#38;style=normal&#38;service=bit.ly&#38;service_api=R_32fd79b68d0eb424a397106f4cbf7638&#38;b=2" height="61" width="50" /><br />
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<p><a href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-222" title="TechTarget Logo" src="http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/templ_headerlogo1.gif" alt="TechTarget Logo" width="166" height="129" /></a>I really enjoyed my first podcast with the crew from <a title="SearchCloudComputing from TechTarget" href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/" target="_blank">SearchCloudComputing</a> &#8211; hosted by Carl Brooks (<a title="Twitter's @eekygeeky" href="http://twitter.com/eekygeeky" target="_blank">Twitter&#8217;s @eekygeeky</a>) &#8211; last week. (Of course I did &#8211; I am an analyst. If there is one thing I love more than being asked my opinion, it is talking about my opinion!). In this two-part podcast, Carl and I talk about all sorts of issues regarding the management of cloud computing &#8211; a critical part of EMA&#8217;s &#8216;Responsible Cloud&#8217; approach to cloud computing.<span id="more-102"></span></p>
<p>It is described on TechTarget as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p><span>While not distinctly different from traditional data center management, cloud computing management presents a new environment and new situations for vendors and users to master in order to keep a watchful eye on their applications and data. </span></p>
<p>Learn about the meaning of cloud management, its growing purpose in the cloud computing world and the expectations laid on cloud management providers in </p>&#8230;</blockquote>]]></description>
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				<img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpleasediscuss.com%2Fandimann%2F20091116%2Fcloud-computing-podcast-with-techtarget-part-1%2F&amp;source=AndiMann&amp;style=normal&amp;service=bit.ly&amp;service_api=R_32fd79b68d0eb424a397106f4cbf7638&amp;b=2" height="61" width="50" /><br />
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<p><a href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-222" title="TechTarget Logo" src="http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/templ_headerlogo1.gif" alt="TechTarget Logo" width="166" height="129" /></a>I really enjoyed my first podcast with the crew from <a title="SearchCloudComputing from TechTarget" href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/" target="_blank">SearchCloudComputing</a> &#8211; hosted by Carl Brooks (<a title="Twitter's @eekygeeky" href="http://twitter.com/eekygeeky" target="_blank">Twitter&#8217;s @eekygeeky</a>) &#8211; last week. (Of course I did &#8211; I am an analyst. If there is one thing I love more than being asked my opinion, it is talking about my opinion!). In this two-part podcast, Carl and I talk about all sorts of issues regarding the management of cloud computing &#8211; a critical part of EMA&#8217;s &#8216;Responsible Cloud&#8217; approach to cloud computing.<span id="more-102"></span></p>
<p>It is described on TechTarget as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p><span>While not distinctly different from traditional data center management, cloud computing management presents a new environment and new situations for vendors and users to master in order to keep a watchful eye on their applications and data. </span></p>
<p>Learn about the meaning of cloud management, its growing purpose in the cloud computing world and the expectations laid on cloud management providers in this podcast with Andi Mann, vice president of research with Enterprise Management Associates.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the podcast, Carl and I talk about:</p>
<ul>
<li> specific disciplines in cloud management like threat management, performance management, availability, malware detection, provisioning, and automation</li>
<li>the offerings and suitability of different vendors like Hyperic (now part of VMware), Rightscale, CA, BMC Software, and Nimsoft</li>
<li> options for small and medium business (SMB) vs. large enterprises</li>
<li> benefits and issues with home-grown, do-it-yourself (DIY), or scripting approaches vs. packaged software</li>
<li>cloud computing and cloud management vendor lock-in</li>
<li>who needs cloud service management</li>
<li>the need for threat and vulnerability management (and impact of <em>not</em> having it)</li>
<li>who needs to deploy cloud computing management tools</li>
<li>and when to consider management tools for cloud computing</li>
</ul>
<p>Check out the full podcast <a title="TechTarget Podcast: Cloud computing management overview" href="http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/generic/0,295582,sid201_gci1374124,00.html" target="_blank">at TechTarget&#8217;s SearchCloudComputing.com site!</a></p>
<p>Part 2 will be coming soon too. I will letyou know when it is up.</p>
<p>Andi.</p>
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