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		<title>Comment on A Service Taxonomy for Cloud Choices by Andi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 06:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting Carter, nice to hear from you. I think that even with &#039;lift and shift&#039; getting easier and faster through orchestration, these services are still cloud-migrant. The apps especially aren&#039;t designed for failure, for scalability, for self-service, etc. Even dropping an existing app on a PaaS and I still think that is cloud-migrant.

So they still need extra tools (e.g. replication, load-balancing) that a cloud-native service designed from the ground up for cloud would have built-in. 

But an app developed for a cloud infrastructure - even legacy infra automatically automatically deployed - yeah, I think that is cloud native. But really starting to blur the lines.

That said, I think the idea of these terms being conflated over time is true. As Dan posted, we are probably looking, over time, at a hybrid model - just like cloud itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting Carter, nice to hear from you. I think that even with &#8216;lift and shift&#8217; getting easier and faster through orchestration, these services are still cloud-migrant. The apps especially aren&#8217;t designed for failure, for scalability, for self-service, etc. Even dropping an existing app on a PaaS and I still think that is cloud-migrant.</p>
<p>So they still need extra tools (e.g. replication, load-balancing) that a cloud-native service designed from the ground up for cloud would have built-in. </p>
<p>But an app developed for a cloud infrastructure &#8211; even legacy infra automatically automatically deployed &#8211; yeah, I think that is cloud native. But really starting to blur the lines.</p>
<p>That said, I think the idea of these terms being conflated over time is true. As Dan posted, we are probably looking, over time, at a hybrid model &#8211; just like cloud itself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Service Taxonomy for Cloud Choices by Andi</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20110922/a-cio-service-taxonomy-for-cloud-choices/comment-page-1/#comment-69815</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 05:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dan, appreciate the comment. I agree, it makes a lot of sense that we should end up with a hybrid - just as we are with cloud services per se. 

Interesting idea on the &#039;reusable elements&#039;. Makes me think of OO coding, with the cloud providing some objects and the data center providing other. Do you think that open cloud APIs fit the bill well enough for your intent?

Andi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan, appreciate the comment. I agree, it makes a lot of sense that we should end up with a hybrid &#8211; just as we are with cloud services per se. </p>
<p>Interesting idea on the &#8216;reusable elements&#8217;. Makes me think of OO coding, with the cloud providing some objects and the data center providing other. Do you think that open cloud APIs fit the bill well enough for your intent?</p>
<p>Andi.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Service Taxonomy for Cloud Choices by Dan Farfan</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20110922/a-cio-service-taxonomy-for-cloud-choices/comment-page-1/#comment-69805</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Farfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 03:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Andi! 
My hunch is as an organization matures in building native-cloud, they&#039;ll start integrating some native-cloud features into legacy services that been migrated -- essentially forming a 5th type, hybrid. In fact, it should be a design objective that each native-cloud feature set contain *some* reusable elements to help the legacy services migrate with gusto. :-) 

@DanFarfan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Andi!<br />
My hunch is as an organization matures in building native-cloud, they&#8217;ll start integrating some native-cloud features into legacy services that been migrated &#8212; essentially forming a 5th type, hybrid. In fact, it should be a design objective that each native-cloud feature set contain *some* reusable elements to help the legacy services migrate with gusto. <img src='http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@DanFarfan</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Service Taxonomy for Cloud Choices by Carter Shanklin</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20110922/a-cio-service-taxonomy-for-cloud-choices/comment-page-1/#comment-69795</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter Shanklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 02:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice taxonomy, though cloud-migrant and cloud-native are likely to be conflated as organizations increasingly adopt tools that let them automate provisioning and configuration of traditional app stacks on cloud (particularly IaaS). There&#039;s a big difference between an app developed with assistance of a self-service Oracle provisioning thingie and an app is built to an actual cloud database. IOW self-service doesn&#039;t magically transform you to cloud-native.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice taxonomy, though cloud-migrant and cloud-native are likely to be conflated as organizations increasingly adopt tools that let them automate provisioning and configuration of traditional app stacks on cloud (particularly IaaS). There&#8217;s a big difference between an app developed with assistance of a self-service Oracle provisioning thingie and an app is built to an actual cloud database. IOW self-service doesn&#8217;t magically transform you to cloud-native.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do Amazon AWS and Eucalyptus Now Have &#8220;Enterprise Cloud Appeal&#8221;? by Welcome Aboard: Amazon Accepts the Existence of Private Clouds &#124; The Convirture Blog</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20120323/do-amazon-aws-and-eucalyptus-now-have-enterprise-cloud-appeal/comment-page-1/#comment-66777</link>
		<dc:creator>Welcome Aboard: Amazon Accepts the Existence of Private Clouds &#124; The Convirture Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his blog post, Andi Mann writes: I do not believe that Amazon’s new alliance with Eucalyptus clears any [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on New Cloud Reference Architecture From NIST by 10 Previsões para a Computação na Nuvem em 2012 &#171; CPD Informática</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 Previsões para a Computação na Nuvem em 2012 &#171; CPD Informática</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2011, a NIST &#8211; Arquitetura Referência para Cloud dedicou uma seção inteira ao &#8216;Gerenciamento de Serviços Cloud&#8217; e a TI começou a [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Software Mainframe’ &#8211; a Poor Analogy for Virtualization by Ricardo San Juan</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20100730/%e2%80%98software-mainframe%e2%80%99-a-poor-analogy-for-virtualization/comment-page-1/#comment-63304</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo San Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the appropriate description for virtualization is that it enables a large machine to behave like a group of small machines and it enables a group of small machines to behave like one large machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the appropriate description for virtualization is that it enables a large machine to behave like a group of small machines and it enables a group of small machines to behave like one large machine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is BYOPC Really Key to Attracting Millennials? by Jon Wallace</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20100201/byopc-critical-to-attracting-millennials/comment-page-1/#comment-60111</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andi,

Great post on a prominent and interesting topic...

I must say that I have to agree with you that BYOPC will in itself have zero effect with regard to staff attraction or retention however the &#039;choice&#039; of device will.  Where you have a development team for example that say are looking to build products for say cloud platforms, you may find that they have experience using development tools that are OS X based and as such are less keen to work on Windows.

Similar to what John said, users of certain devices do bring about a certain type of corporate culture - for example with technology people, giving them any new shiny toy can boost morale and turn a sour culture into a happy one.

Another point I will make is that most vendors who applaud the BYOPC model don&#039;t really understand the full ramifications regarding it such as tax liabilities and what to do if an employee destroys their machine.  Sure, many will say that BYOPC is the employee responsibility but do they really want said individual sat on their hands because said individual can&#039;t actually afford to replace the computer they just broke this month?

Cheers,
Jon Wallace
Director, Emerging Technology &amp; Strategy
AppSense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andi,</p>
<p>Great post on a prominent and interesting topic&#8230;</p>
<p>I must say that I have to agree with you that BYOPC will in itself have zero effect with regard to staff attraction or retention however the &#8216;choice&#8217; of device will.  Where you have a development team for example that say are looking to build products for say cloud platforms, you may find that they have experience using development tools that are OS X based and as such are less keen to work on Windows.</p>
<p>Similar to what John said, users of certain devices do bring about a certain type of corporate culture &#8211; for example with technology people, giving them any new shiny toy can boost morale and turn a sour culture into a happy one.</p>
<p>Another point I will make is that most vendors who applaud the BYOPC model don&#8217;t really understand the full ramifications regarding it such as tax liabilities and what to do if an employee destroys their machine.  Sure, many will say that BYOPC is the employee responsibility but do they really want said individual sat on their hands because said individual can&#8217;t actually afford to replace the computer they just broke this month?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jon Wallace<br />
Director, Emerging Technology &amp; Strategy<br />
AppSense</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Cloud Reference Architecture From NIST by 10 Predicciones para el Cloud Computing en 2012 &#171; CA Newsroom &#8211; Argentina</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20110330/new-cloud-reference-architecture-from-nist/comment-page-1/#comment-56757</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Predicciones para el Cloud Computing en 2012 &#171; CA Newsroom &#8211; Argentina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2011, la Arquitectura de Referencia Cloud NIST dedicó toda una sección a la ‘Gestión de Servicios Cloud&#8217;, y las TI empezaron a hablar [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on New Cloud Reference Architecture From NIST by 10 Predicciones para el Cloud Computing en 2012 &#171; CA Newsroom &#8211; Chile</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20110330/new-cloud-reference-architecture-from-nist/comment-page-1/#comment-56755</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Predicciones para el Cloud Computing en 2012 &#171; CA Newsroom &#8211; Chile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2011, la Arquitectura de Referencia Cloud NIST dedicó toda una sección a la ‘Gestión de Servicios Cloud&#8217;, y las TI empezaron a hablar [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on New Cloud Reference Architecture From NIST by 10 Predicciones para el Cloud Computing en 2012 &#171; CA Newsroom &#8211; Centro América</title>
		<link>http://pleasediscuss.com/andimann/20110330/new-cloud-reference-architecture-from-nist/comment-page-1/#comment-56754</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Predicciones para el Cloud Computing en 2012 &#171; CA Newsroom &#8211; Centro América</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2011, la Arquitectura de Referencia Cloud NIST dedicó toda una sección a la ‘Gestión de Servicios Cloud&#8217;, y las TI empezaron a hablar [...]</description>
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